[you have become to westernised] Really? How many western country
out there have death penalty, there are a whole bunch of western
countries that have death penalty also, including the US. And sometime
in US justice system, people get found guilty of crime, even when there
are no evidence proving they are guilty, sometime even when there are
overwhelming evidence proving they are not guilty. I've seen so many
cases in the US, where people get found guilty of serious crime such as
rape and murder, simply because another person said so, sometime even
with overwhelming evidence proving he is not guilty of such and the
person accusing him of rape or murder, is simply making it up. I've
heard a story in the US, where a man was found guilty and spend 20 years
in prison for rape, because a woman made it all up, simply because she
don't want to pay for the damage she did to his car. Despite all
evidence point to the fact, she was never rape and she made it all up.
It took 20 years, till the truth finally come out and this woman is
arrested for lying to the court. God know how many innocent people is
in prison in the US, due to this flaw within their justice system? And
this is the leader of the free world!!!
And talk about the western world in widen, is it really as great as we think, in term of human right? Latin America have some of the worse violation against free speech in the modern world. (Not kidding, it is even worse then Communist China, although it is probably better then North Korea.) Their defamation law, have something that veto any person, to say anything ill against any government official, disregards to circumstances. Remember how we all speak ill of Julia Gillard when she was in power? Even calling her witch? If this is Latin America we would all be thrown in prison for it. And isn't Latin America a part of the western world? Yes it is. Even China, allow the media to speak ill of the government to a certain extend. (not as freely as Australia of course) But point made, there are western countries that are even worse then China, when it comes to free speech.
Also do I have to remind you what happened in South Africa prior to Nelson Medulla came into power, they literally had a party call "white supremacy party" ruling the country and suppressing the black and here in Australia, it is even worse, may I remind you of the stolen generation? Within Australia's own constitution there is the following two lines written in 1911 [For the purposes of the last section, if by the law of any State all persons of any race are disqualified from voting at elections for the more numerous House of the Parliament of the State, then, in reckoning the number of the people of the State or of the Commonwealth, persons of the race resident in that State shall not be counted.] Chapter 1 the Parliament Part 3 House of Representative article 25 and [51.The Parliament shall, subject to this Constitution, have power to make laws for the peace, order, and good government of the Commonwealth with respect to: -(xxvi.) The people of any race, for whom it is deemed necessary to make special laws:] Chapter 1 the Parliament part 5 Power of the Parliament article 51 (and for your reference here is a online copy of the constitution of the Commonwealth of Australia in accordance to
the website of Australia Federal Parliament http://www.aph.gov.au/About_Parliament/Senate/Powers_practice_n_procedures/~/link.aspx?_id=F74707A5A4934E05A67EE5969B156435&_z=z) It is through these two line that the stolen Generation is possible. And till date, no amendment to the constitution has gotten rid of these two lines yet. (remember a while ago there was a TV ad that talk about making a petition to change the Australia constitution, to protect the right of Indigenous Australians? It is talking about getting rid of these two lines) In addition, I took the privilege to look at the constitution of a none western country. This is the constitution of Taiwan it wrote 中華民國人民，無分男女，宗教，種族，階級，黨派，在法律上一律平等。(English Translation: All people within the Republic of China [former name of Taiwan as a nation] disregards to male or female, religion, race, social status, political preference are equal in the eye of the law.) Do you know where this constitution was written? 1924, only 13 years after the Constitution of the Commonwealth of Australia come into practice (1911) and may I remind you, the stolen generation didn't end till 1970s and it is not possible for it to end, if it isn't because of the work of George Whitler as Prime Minister in the 1960s. So once again, a none western country is kicking a western country's ass in the arena of human right and to add to the insult, it is kicking Australia's ass. And if you think Taiwan's constitution has this line is due to a western influence, once again I have to disappoint you. Do you know who is the first person in recorded history to say something along such line? Confucius over 2500 years ago. He said that the nation is rightfully the common property of its people, not the King's therefore it is the responsibility of the King to rule in public interest, when the King perform his responsibility well, the people should be loyal to the King, but when the King fail to perform his duty well, the people should remove the King from office and replace him with a new one. Later Emperor Liu Bang of China made it the law in 195BC that "All men are equals in the eyes of the law disregards to Emperor or peasant" although there might be some ancient scholar in Rome or Greek that say similar, especially consider they are democracy, it definitely have no influence, considering after the fall of the Roman Empire, we saw the rise of the cult of "King is god's given right" and as a result of it, a whole set of none sense value that emerged as a result of this cult. It is not until the formation of the United States of America, we for the first time seen lines of such nature in a western law, where in the US constitution (I can't remember the exact word) it said that all men are equal under god, within the United States of America, as god intended.
Also do you know which country is the first that gave women the right to vote? Turkey. It is not a western country, it is a Middle Eastern country. Do you know, which country is the first to introduce compulsory education system, for both boys and girls? Japan. They introduce it during the 19th century, for all boys and girls to have to finish to year nine. The western world don't even have compulsory education system back then, let along allowing girls to go to school. We are all familiar with the Irish Independent war, back by the CIA, but whom were the South Irish fighting against? The United Kingdom. That is right. And just a reminder, the UK is a western country. (I can hardly believe it myself, when I first heard of it. Never thought the modern UK is capable of such thing)
Here is another two documentaries about the violation of human right in the western world they are both very good documentaries, you should take a look at it, when you have time "Criminal Catholic Nuns: Exposing the Vatican's organized crime scheme of child trafficking" https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GViURI-fxAU "Spain Baby Market: Catholic Church's Baby Trafficking Schemes Exposed " https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UVy4vsy6rfY These all happen very recently. And to add to the irony it is both led by the Catholic church, the biggest religion organization of the western world.
In addition, the violation of human right by Cold War Soviet Union, goes without saying and mind I remind you, the Soviet Union was a part of the western world. Also we laugh at the Iraq going on at each other throat even going to war with each other base on religion difference, but do you remember which western country also went into civil war due to religion difference? Bosnia. And despite the war is now over, the wounds and tension left from that era is still there.
Now, you might say these are all the past, but really? The issue against free speech in Latin America is still going on right now. And Ukraine, do you know the deal there? They were in a dictatorship rule of a tyrant, just like Sudan Hassan's once rule in Iraq and Colonel Kaddafi's once rule on Syria. When the people of Ukraine saw how through the usage of people power, got dictator to step down in Egypt and Syria the people of Ukraine thought they can do the same thing. They got rid of the dictator alright, but only to get Russian troops marching onto their front door and may I remind you, when Tony Abbott speak out against Russia's President for taking down a commercial jet. The Russia President send three warship knocking on our front door and only back off after UK say speak for Australia against Russia and US send navel present in Australia water. This only happen last year and the war in Ukraine is still going on now. And just a reminder, both Russia and Ukraine are western countries. Also here is another documentary of human right issue going on in South America, which you can have a look at when you have time "The Sick Men Travelling to Brazil for Sex With Children" https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UgJMc-_yxmA and mind I remind you, Brazil is a western country. So, your idea of the west as a beacon of enlighten of human right, in comparison to the none west, is that really so true or is it merely a fantasy, a myth?
I am not saying the western world = brutal human right violation savages. I am not even saying the west = human right violation. Nor am I saying the none west out perform the west in human right. Although there are certain none western countries that out perform the some western countries in some or all arenas of human right. There are also some western countries that out perform some none western countries in some or all arena of human right. For example, Saudi Arabia women right issue a very bad and there are no modern western country that perform so horrible in term of women right. But the fact you think the west to be this beacon of enlighten in the face of the none west, sorry mate, there is simply nothing about that is true.
Also if you think the entire western world is of 1st world status, you are wrong. This is a report out of Latin America itself, about the issue of poverty in the area. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cH2AgVg3ong This is a report from the European Union about European countries, where over 50% of the public live below the poverty line https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k_NxUFIRm9k here is another documentary call "These Russian Street Kids have Been Totally Cheated of Childhood" https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XJ39fZWkgnM
Also if you think the west invented everything and single handed create the modern world, once again you are wrong. The west was only the main contributor to creating the modern world during the 19th century and early to mid 20th century (and starting from early to mid 20th century it is only the US, that make such contribution) and prior to that there was much contribution by the Middle East and Asia and was in fact the prime mover and although due to the influence of white supremacy culture, the then western world don't want to admit to it, they have a major influence on the west, also and without it, the industrial revolution, age of enlighten or even getting out of the dark ages, would be nothing more then a fantasy for the western world. There is a very good series of documentary from the SBS that talk about these none western influence upon the west, you should take a look at it too. "ISLAM's contribution to Europe and Influence to European Renaissance" https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2nznATCvo5Y and here is another documentary from US, about how China's influence during the Middle Ages revolutionized European military culture and allow the colonial age to begin. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JJz-W9HelXU
But unfortunately too many people in the west, want to turn a blind eye to facts that undermine this myth of the wise and mighty west, because this myth make their pride feel good. And it is like psychologist says, when a person believe in something badly enough they look for example and construct opinion that is in favor of it and ignore everything else that suggest otherwise, and people would believe in something so badly, because it provide them some form of conscious or unconscious payoff and the pay off of the myth of the wise and mighty west, is to make people's pride feel good. And today, we are seen this situation, as I said, whether you agree with death penalty or not, I highly doubt there would be such outrage for the execution of these two men, if they are to be executed in a western country. And as I said, there are only two type of people that would speak in favor of them, (1) those whom are gangsters themselves (2) those whom are influence by the concept of western supremacy which is a son of white supremacy (and alright, two more groups, their friends and family and media and politicians that wan to cash in on sympathy for these two men)
And talk about the western world in widen, is it really as great as we think, in term of human right? Latin America have some of the worse violation against free speech in the modern world. (Not kidding, it is even worse then Communist China, although it is probably better then North Korea.) Their defamation law, have something that veto any person, to say anything ill against any government official, disregards to circumstances. Remember how we all speak ill of Julia Gillard when she was in power? Even calling her witch? If this is Latin America we would all be thrown in prison for it. And isn't Latin America a part of the western world? Yes it is. Even China, allow the media to speak ill of the government to a certain extend. (not as freely as Australia of course) But point made, there are western countries that are even worse then China, when it comes to free speech.
Also do I have to remind you what happened in South Africa prior to Nelson Medulla came into power, they literally had a party call "white supremacy party" ruling the country and suppressing the black and here in Australia, it is even worse, may I remind you of the stolen generation? Within Australia's own constitution there is the following two lines written in 1911 [For the purposes of the last section, if by the law of any State all persons of any race are disqualified from voting at elections for the more numerous House of the Parliament of the State, then, in reckoning the number of the people of the State or of the Commonwealth, persons of the race resident in that State shall not be counted.] Chapter 1 the Parliament Part 3 House of Representative article 25 and [51.The Parliament shall, subject to this Constitution, have power to make laws for the peace, order, and good government of the Commonwealth with respect to: -(xxvi.) The people of any race, for whom it is deemed necessary to make special laws:] Chapter 1 the Parliament part 5 Power of the Parliament article 51 (and for your reference here is a online copy of the constitution of the Commonwealth of Australia in accordance to
the website of Australia Federal Parliament http://www.aph.gov.au/About_Parliament/Senate/Powers_practice_n_procedures/~/link.aspx?_id=F74707A5A4934E05A67EE5969B156435&_z=z) It is through these two line that the stolen Generation is possible. And till date, no amendment to the constitution has gotten rid of these two lines yet. (remember a while ago there was a TV ad that talk about making a petition to change the Australia constitution, to protect the right of Indigenous Australians? It is talking about getting rid of these two lines) In addition, I took the privilege to look at the constitution of a none western country. This is the constitution of Taiwan it wrote 中華民國人民，無分男女，宗教，種族，階級，黨派，在法律上一律平等。(English Translation: All people within the Republic of China [former name of Taiwan as a nation] disregards to male or female, religion, race, social status, political preference are equal in the eye of the law.) Do you know where this constitution was written? 1924, only 13 years after the Constitution of the Commonwealth of Australia come into practice (1911) and may I remind you, the stolen generation didn't end till 1970s and it is not possible for it to end, if it isn't because of the work of George Whitler as Prime Minister in the 1960s. So once again, a none western country is kicking a western country's ass in the arena of human right and to add to the insult, it is kicking Australia's ass. And if you think Taiwan's constitution has this line is due to a western influence, once again I have to disappoint you. Do you know who is the first person in recorded history to say something along such line? Confucius over 2500 years ago. He said that the nation is rightfully the common property of its people, not the King's therefore it is the responsibility of the King to rule in public interest, when the King perform his responsibility well, the people should be loyal to the King, but when the King fail to perform his duty well, the people should remove the King from office and replace him with a new one. Later Emperor Liu Bang of China made it the law in 195BC that "All men are equals in the eyes of the law disregards to Emperor or peasant" although there might be some ancient scholar in Rome or Greek that say similar, especially consider they are democracy, it definitely have no influence, considering after the fall of the Roman Empire, we saw the rise of the cult of "King is god's given right" and as a result of it, a whole set of none sense value that emerged as a result of this cult. It is not until the formation of the United States of America, we for the first time seen lines of such nature in a western law, where in the US constitution (I can't remember the exact word) it said that all men are equal under god, within the United States of America, as god intended.
Also do you know which country is the first that gave women the right to vote? Turkey. It is not a western country, it is a Middle Eastern country. Do you know, which country is the first to introduce compulsory education system, for both boys and girls? Japan. They introduce it during the 19th century, for all boys and girls to have to finish to year nine. The western world don't even have compulsory education system back then, let along allowing girls to go to school. We are all familiar with the Irish Independent war, back by the CIA, but whom were the South Irish fighting against? The United Kingdom. That is right. And just a reminder, the UK is a western country. (I can hardly believe it myself, when I first heard of it. Never thought the modern UK is capable of such thing)
Here is another two documentaries about the violation of human right in the western world they are both very good documentaries, you should take a look at it, when you have time "Criminal Catholic Nuns: Exposing the Vatican's organized crime scheme of child trafficking" https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GViURI-fxAU "Spain Baby Market: Catholic Church's Baby Trafficking Schemes Exposed " https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UVy4vsy6rfY These all happen very recently. And to add to the irony it is both led by the Catholic church, the biggest religion organization of the western world.
In addition, the violation of human right by Cold War Soviet Union, goes without saying and mind I remind you, the Soviet Union was a part of the western world. Also we laugh at the Iraq going on at each other throat even going to war with each other base on religion difference, but do you remember which western country also went into civil war due to religion difference? Bosnia. And despite the war is now over, the wounds and tension left from that era is still there.
Now, you might say these are all the past, but really? The issue against free speech in Latin America is still going on right now. And Ukraine, do you know the deal there? They were in a dictatorship rule of a tyrant, just like Sudan Hassan's once rule in Iraq and Colonel Kaddafi's once rule on Syria. When the people of Ukraine saw how through the usage of people power, got dictator to step down in Egypt and Syria the people of Ukraine thought they can do the same thing. They got rid of the dictator alright, but only to get Russian troops marching onto their front door and may I remind you, when Tony Abbott speak out against Russia's President for taking down a commercial jet. The Russia President send three warship knocking on our front door and only back off after UK say speak for Australia against Russia and US send navel present in Australia water. This only happen last year and the war in Ukraine is still going on now. And just a reminder, both Russia and Ukraine are western countries. Also here is another documentary of human right issue going on in South America, which you can have a look at when you have time "The Sick Men Travelling to Brazil for Sex With Children" https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UgJMc-_yxmA and mind I remind you, Brazil is a western country. So, your idea of the west as a beacon of enlighten of human right, in comparison to the none west, is that really so true or is it merely a fantasy, a myth?
I am not saying the western world = brutal human right violation savages. I am not even saying the west = human right violation. Nor am I saying the none west out perform the west in human right. Although there are certain none western countries that out perform the some western countries in some or all arenas of human right. There are also some western countries that out perform some none western countries in some or all arena of human right. For example, Saudi Arabia women right issue a very bad and there are no modern western country that perform so horrible in term of women right. But the fact you think the west to be this beacon of enlighten in the face of the none west, sorry mate, there is simply nothing about that is true.
Also if you think the entire western world is of 1st world status, you are wrong. This is a report out of Latin America itself, about the issue of poverty in the area. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cH2AgVg3ong This is a report from the European Union about European countries, where over 50% of the public live below the poverty line https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k_NxUFIRm9k here is another documentary call "These Russian Street Kids have Been Totally Cheated of Childhood" https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XJ39fZWkgnM
Also if you think the west invented everything and single handed create the modern world, once again you are wrong. The west was only the main contributor to creating the modern world during the 19th century and early to mid 20th century (and starting from early to mid 20th century it is only the US, that make such contribution) and prior to that there was much contribution by the Middle East and Asia and was in fact the prime mover and although due to the influence of white supremacy culture, the then western world don't want to admit to it, they have a major influence on the west, also and without it, the industrial revolution, age of enlighten or even getting out of the dark ages, would be nothing more then a fantasy for the western world. There is a very good series of documentary from the SBS that talk about these none western influence upon the west, you should take a look at it too. "ISLAM's contribution to Europe and Influence to European Renaissance" https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2nznATCvo5Y and here is another documentary from US, about how China's influence during the Middle Ages revolutionized European military culture and allow the colonial age to begin. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JJz-W9HelXU
But unfortunately too many people in the west, want to turn a blind eye to facts that undermine this myth of the wise and mighty west, because this myth make their pride feel good. And it is like psychologist says, when a person believe in something badly enough they look for example and construct opinion that is in favor of it and ignore everything else that suggest otherwise, and people would believe in something so badly, because it provide them some form of conscious or unconscious payoff and the pay off of the myth of the wise and mighty west, is to make people's pride feel good. And today, we are seen this situation, as I said, whether you agree with death penalty or not, I highly doubt there would be such outrage for the execution of these two men, if they are to be executed in a western country. And as I said, there are only two type of people that would speak in favor of them, (1) those whom are gangsters themselves (2) those whom are influence by the concept of western supremacy which is a son of white supremacy (and alright, two more groups, their friends and family and media and politicians that wan to cash in on sympathy for these two men)
